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June 22, 2016 8:04 pm  #1


4.6 vs 352

i have a 63 country sedan 100% untouched orignal 352, auto. motor is locked up from sitting years with the plugs out. I also have a 2005 4.6 motor and trans from a f150 with only 2400 miles on it. For you who have done the swap would you do it again vs a fresh fe with fitech? 

 

June 23, 2016 8:07 am  #2


Re: 4.6 vs 352

I have not done the 4.6 swap but I did swap out the 352FE from my Galaxie for a 5.0W.  IMHO it really comes down to your vision for the car, how you want to use it, and your budget.

FE engines are great power plants they have lots of torque and run well, however they are also very expensive and heavy.  I had a 390 that I was toying with putting in my 62 but went withe the 302 in part because of the $$.  If you want the car to look feel and drive like it did in 63 than the FE is the way to go but if you want more bang for your $$ and something that drives "better" than the 4.6 is probably a better option.

really the question is do you want the car to be more of an original type car or a modified car?  Something else to consider, as much as we love these big cars they do not have the same following as the Mustang or other popular cars so we will never get the same kind of money out of a rare Galaxie as you would out of a rare Mustang.  The advantage to that is the value of the car doesn't change much from original to modified.

 

June 23, 2016 8:18 am  #3


Re: 4.6 vs 352

I just completed a 4.6 swap in a 61 Sunliner. I am happy with the results, however, there are some issues that you need to address with the 4.6 that you wouldn't with the FE block. If you want simple, stick with original. If you want more performance, you have options like going to a modified 390 or even a modified small block Ford like a 302. When you switch out the engine/tranny, then of course mounts, driveshafts all become issues.
In the case of the 4.6, some of the issues you will come up against: Engine mounts, tranny mount, you will need to convert to a front sump oil pan, add electric fuel pump in the tank and run fuel lines, modify driveshaft for correct length, correct rear joint, then deal with all of the electronics/wiring.
Going with EFI in my opinion was worth it. Car runs good, is reliable and I love the overdrive. I think one of the other unique things about this conversion is that I am the only guy around here running that type of drivetrain, it draws lots of interest, curiosity. I enjoy conversing with others about the swap.
I have posted numerous threads on this site about this swap. If I can be of further help, let me know.

 

June 23, 2016 3:15 pm  #4


Re: 4.6 vs 352

this car will be  a daily driver for my wife. gas milage is a major deal. i've also considered a 351w/aod with efi. I've built several cars in my life and i know i need overdrive and efi. but i have never done a modern conversion such as the 4.6. {dan  6776}  i have read all your post on your build. will there be tuning issues with me changing from the huge pickup intake to a car intake?  will the 2005 f150 ecm work or do i need a crown vic ecm

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June 23, 2016 10:01 pm  #5


Re: 4.6 vs 352

You will definitely have to change intakes if you want to be able to close the hood on that car with the 4.6. As far as what is involved in changing the intakes, I wouldn't be able to tell you as I just don't have enough knowledge. You will need to run the ECM from the F150. I think the truck used knock sensors, the Crwon Vic did not. Ford changed sensors often between various years and models, so you need the correct ECM or your going to be dealing with all sorts of codes when you fire it up. Another option would be to fork out the cash for a wire kit like i did. The time you will save not having to harvest the wires you need out of the OEM harnesses is worth it. 
Just a question because I am curious...if gas mileage is an issue, why then are you choosing such a big car for your wife to use as a daily driver? Why not get her a Mustang GT for example and get over 30 mpg all day long?

 

June 24, 2016 1:28 am  #6


Re: 4.6 vs 352

she always wanted a full size classic wagon. I dont need 25mpg but i need better than 10.  from what im seeing the harness and tune is gonna be $1500.00 for the 2005 and up, ouch!!  The 4.6 and trans were free or I wouldnt even consider it. Im in no hurry, im also considering an ls.

Last edited by dan73 (June 24, 2016 1:37 am)

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June 24, 2016 6:15 am  #7


Re: 4.6 vs 352

I see, she wants a classic. Cool. I said the same thing about the price of the wire kit and tune when I first started looking.."ouch". However, it was worth every penny! Now that I have done it, harvesting the wires you actually need for the swap would be pretty straight forward. But with the kit, it sure makes it quicker and neater. Each sensor plug comes with 20 feet of wire, so you can mount the ECM where ever you want.
I also forgot to mention some other stuff you will need to deal with: Throttle linkage, tranny linkage, different size rad hose outlets to factory radiator, radiator overflow tank, air intake system are a few more that come to mind. 
I'm sure you would be happy with the 4.6, just a little more effort to get there.

 

June 24, 2016 6:38 am  #8


Re: 4.6 vs 352

dan73 wrote:

im also considering an ls.

Blasphemy!


 

 

June 24, 2016 9:49 am  #9


Re: 4.6 vs 352

Since you have to put an intake on it any way what if you went with a carbureted intake like this one

And then you could run a carb for a while to get any bugs worked out of the car and get it on the road for much less time and money.  Then after she has driven it a bit an easyEFI kit or other carb to EFI conversion would bolt rite up.  

Boogyman wrote:

dan73 wrote:

im also considering an LS.

Blasphemy!


 

The LS is not blasphemy if and only if you put a transmission out of a MoPar, suspension out of a Cadillac and interior out of a Subaru

All joking aside I am a little bit torn.  I can not argue with the performance and availability of the LS series of engines.  There is fantastic aftermarket support and I  have no doubt the swap could be done well.  Being one who modifies everything I have to respect the engineering involved in transplanting the "heart of a cow into a horse".

With that said I am a little turned off to a Chevy engine in a Ford due to all the Ford hot rods running around with Chevy 350s in them.  

No matter what you decide I look forward to hearing all about it here on the forum.
 

 

June 24, 2016 2:36 pm  #10


Re: 4.6 vs 352

I don't really think an LS swap would be any easier than the 4.6 swap. Neither of those engines came in the car, so everything about them is a custom installation. I am typically saddened by the far too common Chevy-in-a-Ford situation, but I can't help but feel that why the LS seems like such a good engine is because they borrowed Ford architecture. The uniformly spaced intake and exhaust ports, and the distributor at the front make it seem somewhat better, or normal. Ha!
I expect the simplest and cheapest course would be to keep the original engine. Without a rebuild and modifications 10MPG around town might be a stretch, but you can buy a lot of fuel for the cost of a rebuild and/or an EFI system.

 

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